pitbulls, hospitals and lawyers Sue Palen

Sue Palen

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Well, my friends, it took every ounce of mental strength I had not to blow my cool at the hospital that treated me for my wound when Rocky was killed. I got my records for the day of the attack. Here's out it went:

"The patient was in no pain"- not true. Pain level was 8. I told them that, but I refused pain meds because I am in pain management.

"The patient does not know the dog that bit her"- not true. I may not know the dog, but I know where it lives.

The dog bite report I filed at the hospital is gone. No one knows where it went.

"The parent will bring the child back to the ER if symptoms worsen". What child are they talking about? I do not have any children.

So I spent most of the afternoon trying to get the hospital to ammend their records.

My attorney told me to file another Dog Bite Report with MCACC. They refused to file one because the incident happened too long ago, and I had already filed one even though the report is not in public records.

I asked MCACC what I should do. They said, "call an attorney". I sure am glad I already have one. When I talked to the attorney today, I said, "hopefully I'm not giving Mickey a cellmate".

I STILL MISS YOU ROCKY!!!

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  M.j. Brandt 

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  Lesley Karen Luscombe Puke; what an amateur effort from the hospital admin. Paperwork claiming no pain, and mentioning a child that wasn't there? Sickening nonsense. No excuse for it in this day and age. Letter of complaint concerning admin procedures and incorrect documentation would be winging its way inwards, I'm afraid.
  
  So sorry, Sue.
  
  Onwards for Rocky, with love. 

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  Laurie Anne Do you have any other types of documentation, like photos of your wound and follow-up with primary care doctor? Witnesses? If not, I am afraid the hospitals goof greatly weakens your case. They screwed up, but if you can't get them to fix it, this is a problem. Good luck with this. It's awful they failed you in this extremely important matter.

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  Carol Miller Been there and done that Sue. My chart records say the chief complaint was "I'm bruised all over" when I clearly stated that I was there for a dog bite report and to assess for a tetanus shot. I was refused the bite report at that time because the physician's assistant did nto think it was his job to fill it out. I had to go over his head to have the form filled out. Due to the number of jurisdictions and poor design of the dog bite form, my report was sent to the wrong place and promptly lost as well. I feel your pain. The county prosecutor refused to charge the pit bull owners for falsifying state records because the bite report had been lost. You can't make this stuff up.

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  Elsie Delaney Sue when I got my report a few days ago from the hospital, it had so many errors. The one on pain-level basically said I was not in pain. When what I had actually said on BOTH visits was between a 7 and a 10. They mentioned nothing about the bite on my cheek. Said the swelling in my right hand was moderate. When in actuality my index and middle finger were so swollen they looked like they would burst. Said I had full range of motion in those two fingers when the truth was I had almost no movement at all of the entire hand. I still cannot bend the index finger and cannot make a fist. Said I was bitten by a large dog that I did not know. I know the dog, his name and he still lives next door. Said I had no pain any where else. Not true. I told them I could not lift my right arm, my back was excruciating, my knees were bloody, my chest was sore and bruised where the pit bull was on me. I could go on and on with the inconsistencies. AC's report was just as error-ridden. 

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  Lorena McGovern It's shocking and disheartening to see that supposed professionals can't properly document medical emergencies. No wonder they kill 100,000 Americans every year with medical mistakes.

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  Sue Palen Lorena, you are absolitely correct. Hospitals are the #1 killer of Americans. No wonder.

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  Laurie Anne The officer who took a police report got the date wrong, and that could have caused problems for me. Innocent folks like us only find out afterwards that we need to check documentation for accuracy. Not something we"d typically be thinking of during/after a trauma, but these things matter very much in a court case.

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  Elsie Delaney I agree Lorena. And the head nurse, both visits, knew this pit's owners and was very against the kind of people they are (drugs) and how irresponsible they are. She was really upset that the pit had attacked me and Ricky and was angry that AC didn't do no more than they did. Yet even she didn't make sure that she recorded accurately.

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  Elsie Delaney Laurie Anne, same with my report. Wrong date on police report and AC report.

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  Marty Johncox File a HIPAA complaint if the hospital lost your records. They are supposed to be custodians of records and not lose them or improperly disclose them. Wave HIPAA around and they will likely find your missing records.

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  Sue Palen I have photos of my hand and photos of the pit owner's gate that still is not fixed. All my disputes are now on file with the hospital.

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  Lynne Smith It sounds like there were two different attacks that day and they mixed up the reports.

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  Julia Dolan Green What the heck?? Incompetence 

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  AJ Ravinsky Keep in mind that nutters can be working in hospitals too.....and probably one of them did the records.

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  Kelly Reid Walls Sue, what state did the attack occur?

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  Olivia Wyatt I understand why it took you time to deal with all this. You had just went through a very shocking ordeal. Now that you feel stronger, try again. I'm so sorry you're having such a hard time. Sometimes evidence is the hardest thing to get. But get what you can or have the lawyer request it. Tell the hospital your not after them, you're after the owner of the dog.

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  Sue Palen Kelly, Arizona. Good ole Phoenix, Maricopa County- home of the infamous Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

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  Sue Palen Olivia, the lawyer is requesting my hospital records. That is the reason I wanted to see them. Now all of my amendments are included in the records. I watched them get input into their system, and then waited and got a printout.

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  Olivia Wyatt Oh that's good, make sure you have all the photos and any police reports, friends who will witness of your pain and suffering. The photos of your little dog who died. I'm sorry, I know this is so hard for you. When it's all over, you will know you did everything you could and that will help you to heal.

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  Beth Kehoe Sue Palen, do you have your original invoices? Does you insurance company have any of the original records?

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  Sue Palen Beth Kehoe, the atty is requesting the insurance records. He wants to know what it would have cost me if I was uninsured. I lost my EOBs, but I can request copies.

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  Sue Palen Beth Kehoe, I paid the hospital a $65 copay only.

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  Beth Kehoe Yes, the insurance company should have copies that are, hopefully, more detailed than the hospital's. I was also told to ask for the vet's actual notes when she examined my dog. Good luck, Sue!!

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  Joanna McGinn lessons: complain of extreme pain , insist on heavy duty pain meds...get script filled but don't use the stuff esp w/o talking to your primary care giver... and keep them on hands for when they might be needed in an emergency... say like a tree falls on you or your family and the roads are closed... etc etc etc.

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  Sue Palen Joanna McGinn, would have done that except I am in pain management. My pain management doc gets copies of all controlled substances that are prescribed to me. She is the only doc who I am allowed to get pain meds from. I would lose my pain management doc if I got a pain med script from anyone but her. I need her, I am in chronic pain all the freaking time. Level 4 is a great day for me.

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  Sue Palen When I was taking Rocky for 2 walks per day, pain level was 2-3. 

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  Kelly Reid Walls Arizona state law demands that biting dogs must be quarantine for 10 days. If the AC did not do this, they are violating state law.
  
  If the hospital failed to report the bite to AC, they, too, are violating state law.
  
  You need to meet with the patient advocate at the hospital.
  
  You need to calmly and, without emotion, point out the glaring inconsistencies in the record - to include their failure to properly document the bite incident as required by state law.
  
  Typically, hospitals fax these reports to the rabies control authorities. 
  
  Do an open records request for all bite reports submitted to the rabies control authority in your county.
  
  These reports are legal documents and they can not destroy them.

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  Kelly Reid Walls You can also complete this bite report online:
  
  http://www.maricopa.gov/pets/or.aspx?ddlIssue=2
  
  Screenshot your submission.

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  Kelly Reid Walls Can you call me tomorrow? Sending you my telephone number. The message may go to your "other" box.

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  Drema Fowler sounds like lazy paperwork on the hospitals part

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  Sue Palen Kelly Reid Walls, I got your phone #. I will give you a call in the afternoon. I have a doc appt in the morning. Is that good for you?

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  Kelly Reid Walls That's fine.

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Tell Me Again This Isn’t A Cult

I have learned in life that two things need to stay out of certain places, politics and religion. Some may look at Dogsbite.org supporters as cult members, but what exactly is a cult? Let’s take a look:

Breaking it down, small group of people, yes, that is true. Having religious beliefs? Well let’s take a look:

Yes, Doug, many do want to speak up, but is the bible really what your members want to push? Well let’s take a look:

I am told Raymond left the secret group right after this exchange of words. It hasn’t been confirmed if he left on his own or if he was kicked out simply because he doesn’t agree with religious views being expressed. Frankly, I agree. People have different opinions and views on their own religion. Using the Bible to further spread your hate appears to portray the actions of a cult , wouldn’t you agree? More on this down the road, because we just have so much more to cover.

BARBARA kAY, DOES ANYONE TAKE HER SERIOUSLY ANYMORE

Barbara Kay
Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2014

The pit bull advocacy movement (PBAM), one of our culture’s oddest phenomena, passionately resists all evidence that casts their beloved breed in a negative light. AP Photo/The Arizona Republic

November 9-15 is Awareness for Victims of Canine Attack (AVOCA) week. As if to mark the occasion – in the most negative way possible – the city of Sherbrooke, Quebec has announced the repeal of a two-decade long ban on ownership of pit bull type dogs, to begin January 1. Explaining the repeal, city officials claimed that “experts” had said the dogs were no more dangerous than other breeds, and that it’s difficult to prove that a dog is “purebred pit bull.”

Sherbrooke’s announcement comes hard on the heels of an opposite announcement from Aurora, Colorado, which just held a public referendum on the same repeal issue. The question asked was, “KEEPING OF PIT BULLS – Shall the people of Aurora adopt an ordinance allowing pit bulls back into their city?” The people of Aurora spoke unequivocally, with 68% of Aurora voters rejecting repeal. The same scenario played out in Miami-Dade county a few years ago, when a repeal of an existing ban was subjected to a public referendum.

There is a reason over 35 countries have imposed partial or full bans on pit bulls

The pit bull advocacy movement in both cases put on a well-organized and costly campaign. But ordinary people did not drink their Kool-Aid – that is, the false claim that pit bull type dogs are no more dangerous than other breeds. The “experts” Sherbrooke claims to have consulted are doubtless pit bull advocates and industry stakeholders, who prefer theories to epidemiological data. Moreover it isn’t necessary to prove that a pit bull is a “purebred,” since the entire cluster of pit bull type dogs is the problem. All fighting dogs have the same propensity to impulsive aggression and severe, prolonged mauling instincts. Identifying them is not difficult at all.

There is a reason over 35 countries have imposed partial or full bans on pit bulls, and that about 500 cities in North America ban them. In the nine-year period from 2005-13, pit bulls killed 176 Americans and accounted for 62% of the total recorded dogbite-related deaths (283), even though they represent only 6% of the breed population.

In an open debate, which a public referendum would have facilitated, this fact and other incriminating evidence would have persuaded people that pit bull type dogs are a public safety risk. In an open debate, it would have come to light that the Ontario ban on pit bull type dogs, in place since 2005, and also under pressure by pit bull advocates for repeal, has successfully – dramatically! – reduced the number of maulings and maimings, which is the whole point of a ban.

It makes no sense to introduce the “complaints-based system” Sherbrooke has in mind. What good is a “complaint” to a mauled victim or the owner of a dead pet dog or cat (pit bull type dogs are responsible for virtually all dogbite-related deaths of pets and other domestic animals)? Sherbrooke is putting the so-called “right” of people to own dangerous dogs above the right of people to live in safety.

(JASON KRYK/ The Windsor Star)

The first principle of public safety is to protect people from themselves. Instead of posting signs advising people to drive safely, we impose speed limits. Instead of reminding people to avoid scalding themselves by turning the cold water on along with the hot water, we compel water companies to reduce the maximum heat level on their end. Instead of cautioning children to avoid falling from jungle gyms on to concrete playgrounds, we regulate a more forgiving playground surface.

In other words, public safety is about creating a friendlier environment in which people can go about their business without endangering themselves through their own negligence and carelessness. We know from experience that educating dog owners, asking them to enclose their dogs and any other number of precautionary measures are not adequate to protect them from pit bull type dogs, a disproportionate number of which are in the hands of society’s least responsible citizens.

When public safety measures work, they are invisible to the community. When someone fails to turn on the cold water tap before stepping into the shower and doesn’t get scalded, hospital logs don’t register his non-appearance. When pit bulls don’t inhabit a city and children don’t get mauled, that isn’t recorded. The fact that children are not getting mauled in Sherbrooke with the ban in place is therefore no reason to repeal it, but a reason to maintain it.

Sherbrooke officials could rethink their decision, calling for data from objective investigative experts with no skin in the pit bull industry (including shelters and rescue units with pit bull-skewed biases, not to mention veterinarian associations, who cannot afford to offend any single group of owners). Better still, let them throw the question to the public. Let victims tell their stories. Then let the people who have to live with these unpredictable animals, bred for the sole purpose of inflicting suffering, decide.

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William Johnson main instigator!!

William Johnson
October 21 at 6:31pm
Craven had blogged about Longmont Humane Society earlier this month. Nancy from ColoRADogs is closely tied with them, Nancy imports litters of pit bull puppies from outside of Colorado to sell. While LHS charges a large fee to "rehabilitate" aggressive dogs from other shelters then releases them back into the community. This is who is spearheading the effort to repeal the ban on pit bulls in Aurora, CO. They have a vested financial interest in repeal. The voters of Aurora would be wise to vote NO on proposition 2D.

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ITs always about money. Always. They will take them for 1,000 dollars. So sad. I am one of those crazies that believes we don't get out of this world without going on to...
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October 21 at 8:54pm · Like · 2

Rose Solesky It will put our mind at ease when the powers that be ban the adoption of Pit Bulls and save the lives of our innocent children and adults who have been scared and killed by this animal. No breed of animal shud be more important then the lives of humans. I don't know how anyone can read about these tragidies because of an animal and fight to save them for adoption. Unconsionable!!!!!!
October 22 at 12:14am · Like · 5

Lucy Muir LOL! that is the gift of willful ignorance wrapped in a pretty ribbon made of crocodile tears! Jeff Borchardt
October 22 at 5:07am · Like · 3

Jeff Borchardt Here's a good one Lucy Muir https://www.facebook.com/PBPMR/photos/a.517250975038795.1073741829.516353878461838/643310152432876/?type=1
October 22 at 7:39am · Like · 1

Jenny Pollman I would just LOVE to know why they think Colleen with dogsbite, has taken advantage of jeff. They both work together for a common goal. To save lives and educate people so these attacks stop. It makes absolutely no sense that anyone is taking advantage of anyone. It's called team work... And we all work together for the same purpose. Pit bull people are just plain twisted.
October 23 at 1:21pm · Like · 5

William Johnson They're bizarre. Really bizarre thinking. The very first time I called Colleen, we were on the phone for almost two hours. She is incredibly supportive and in no way manipulated me or my thinking. I am proud to call her a friend. Pit bull apologists hatred of her just shows you how effective she really is.
October 23 at 1:29pm · Like · 5

Jenny Pollman I just really want to know WHAT she's doing to use all of us and especially jeff?? What exactly?? I mean, Jeff's son was killed, and Colleen was attacked... Your daughter was attacked.. Dennis's granddaughter was attacked... You ALL are victims. So why wouldn't you band together to make changes?? Who wouldn't seek out some people with similar experiences for support??? Mothers against drunk drivers band together to make changes and advocate against drunk drivers because their child was killed by a drunk driver. So are they a cult?? Is the person that started that advocating group a cult leader?? Just using and taking advantage of people too?? I mean really... There's Cancer support groups as well for people and their loved ones going through cancer. Are they a cult too?? These people are just plain f'd in the head with their ridiculous excuses.
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